the GENESIS story...

[ivan_2068]

Rick and Roll wrote:

I was under the impression that Hackett was repressed from the beginning. this did not start after Gabriel left. Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford have always exerted the most imfluence.

Well, in the Gabriel era the roles were clear in Genesis, Tony made 90% of the music and Peter did 90% of the lyrics, Hackett worked with Tony creating that atmosp´here that made Genesis famous, Rutherford and Collins almost did nothing except a couple of tracks left to them.

Everybody knew clearly what their role was, nobody asked for more.

When Peter left and specially after Voyage, Hackett realized that he could write in the same level as Banks so he wanted a piece of the cake, but Tony wasn't ready to leave his control so he preferred to divide it among the band (This would still leave Banks as the main songwritter and the rest) instead of leaving Hackett as an equal in the songwritting.

Get one of the ATOTT videos or Genesis In Concert with Collins singing and Bill Bruford on drums, you can see that the cameras don't care for Steve, it's like the three friends and the others, take alook if you have it, the cameras only follow Phil and Tomny, a bit less Mike but there's not a single close uop of Steve.

Rick and Roll wrote:

Right about Rutherford. that's what I've been saying for years about Genesis. This isn't a Collins thing. Let's not forget he was in Brand X from 1976-1980. Banks and Rutherford are as much to "blame".

That was only at the beginning of the three man era, the problem with Tony is that he's not a natural leader, he made his best or his most popular material when he had somebody pushing him (His solo career is a prove of that), ATTW3 and DUKE are mostly by Tony (Some form of hybrids) but in ABACAB Phil took the lead of the band, he started with the Phoenix Horns, Tony didn't wanted Earth Wind & Fire with them but Collins made a big issue and all had to accept, that was the end of the band it was Collins and his session musicians.

The later Genesis albums sound almost exactly as Phil's solo stuff, there's people that believe somgs loke Sussudio are Genesis tracks, it's simply depressive.

Roger-Dot-Lee wrote:

And you're giving Union a pass? Or is it that it's just so bad that it doesn't deserve to be considered 'Yes'?

I agree Onion is terrible also but at least there was hope seing Bruford, Wakeman and Howe back, Big Generator was the lowest point of Yes career.

Iván