iTunes rules, but I hate that to get it to a normal mp3 file I have to burn it to cd, then turn around and rip it to mp3.

That's Apple software for ya... :rolleyes:

- Why assume that it was not paid for?


QuantumJo, you're correct. My apologies to TransA. My intention was really not to reprimand. Just thought it was a good subject to bring up. I am very sensitive about and possible sickened by the commercial music industry, as well as any commercial industry, and its influence on the creation of art of all medium. It’s a bit of a sensitive issue with me and I like to vent to other people who might understand.

Good music, good art, just doesn’t get the respect it deserves. People who stay true to creating art for arts sake rarely succeed and usually suffer a life of financial mediocrity. While ‘actors’ such as those on Thursday night sitcoms make 1 million dollars for 10 minutes(that’s $100,000 dollars per minute) of reciting horrible dialogue (not exactly on subject but just needed to vent). This might be more prevalent in America but in most cases to make money you have to ‘sell-out’. It’s tough to support the ‘progress of music’ in this case. It’s tough to find audiences who sponsor musical exploration endeavors and those committed to the cause. It comes partially down to the lack of education of the arts, which America doesn’t really understand the importance of.

Mentioned earlier in the thread was a Dregs drummer who was in Winger for a bit. He met up with my friend once and actually apologized – “sorry bout that Winger thing”. So goes the story. I’ll bet that’s where the money was, even if it meant playing your drums into a sequencer and replacing the drum track with triggered sampled drums.

This web site understands the importance of art music and provides a wonderful meeting people for people who also understand- dedicated to the cause. In my thoughts the site should be government grant sponsored for supporting the arts. Bush would probably support Godspeed ;)

Sorry for the rant and I appreciate your time. The subject does hit close to home but I am seeking professional help. I promise.

Nice rant, I liked it!

I wonder why Rod M. apologized. Hell, Chris Slade was with AC/DC for a while. I don't mind that stuff, it's not my place to tell someone who to play with.

Well, they're Canadian, so that would be a bit weird, but maybe he'd support King Black Acid?:D

Bush Crazy
 

You said it spaz! Bush supporting something Canadian!?! Crazy!!

Re: Bush Crazy
 

Well he is mad enough to support Godpeed!!! :D

Bush supporting anything rational? Preposterous!

oops, did I say that out loud?:D ;)

I have been a prog. fan since the mid seventies, and I have seen this word progressive thrown around alot, progressive jazz, synth, prog. rock. To me progressive rock is music that lends itself to no rules, unlike many of the bands of the 70's and 80's which followed musical formulas, progressive bands make it up as they went along. So it is really the integrity of the music written and played that makes progressive rock what it is.
Be it fusion, classical, rock, jazz....:)

progressive rock
 

hi
I agreed with you. the word progessive is something mysterious and anyone on this planet has his own opinion about this subject.

I have a discuss subject.

Neal morse has make an new cd: TESTIMONY. When you read the magazines and look on the internet this cd is the best album of the year.

The most people like this album because the instruments are good, but when you listen what neal has to say than you hear jezus and god.

Are songs about jesus and god progressive or gospel music?

Transatlantic

Re: progressive rock
 

Hmm.... I don't know many but I can recommend Spock's Beard-Snow (allegedly not an album about it, but it has alegorical sense, is a document of Morse conversion, and of course Wind At My Back is a prayer).
Try also Iona, the hidden pearl of progressive rock. I can't understand - how can they be so unpopular even among progfans.

you don't understand
 

IS THE ALBUM THESTIMONY OF NEAL MORSE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC OR GOSPEL????


regards Transatlantic

Re: progressive rock
 

The subject shouldn't matter at all. It's the style that the song is performed in that makes it prog.

Neal Morse found God and writes about that but in a prog way.

If the Edwin Hawkins Singers did one of his songs it would be Gospel.

Flame on!!!!:D

Does it really matter?
 

I fail to see the importance of having the music that we listen to, to be so well defined. Is it this? Is it that? Does it really matter? For myself, what I consider to be great music is sonic pleasure that evokes a favorable emotional reaction. Let’s not be overwhelmed by trying to categorize then subcategorize what we hear. Enjoy it for what it is - The Art Of Music.

I agree with Keithie, the subject does not matter. As a matter of fact, many prog songs are spiritual in nature exploring the who's and why's of our existence. Have you listened to Testimony? You can't tell me that "A whole Nother Trip" is not prog.

special mention
 

of Wojtek's "Stardust We Are" (Faffers We Are") bastardization. Brilliant!

Content of lyrics does not make prog. I for one, prefer music not written about fairies and fantasy.

So, if I missed the point, my anwer is: God is one of the many topics progbands sing about and this fact doesn't change prog into gospel.

Guys, you mentioned importance of lyrics in prog. For me subject does matter, although it is not all. I can hear music and even not try to understand what it is about, but the fact is that good concept, unforgettable significance in prog is a spiced-up pork, lady with make-up, wall with paintings....

You scare me woj......

A spiced-up pork lady with make-up. Sounds like an old blind date of mine!

My $.02US worth
 

The short answer, as far as I'm concerned, is "Who cares?" I judge a song or a band by the contents of its music, not simply the lyrics. Hell, half the time I don't understand what they're saying. Doesn't matter. If it's good music, and the lyrics fit, it's good. If it isn't, it isn't (profound, huh?).

And it made me hungry.
My other needs have been satisfied while visiting baker's daughters today :D

Subject does and doesn't matter
 

Of course subject matters in terms of your enjoyment of a song but the subject does not define its genre.

Is this in honour of Poet's Day?

Was this in Montreal? I think we may have dated the same girl Rick!

for Keith
 

><Barry-Manilow-Luvers-owner@yahoogroups.com>

a friend of mine sent me this. Haven't looked at it yet.....

This has as much to do with the discussion as anything else
:)

Re: for Keith
 

Many (low) thanks for that Ricardo.

I'll take a look at that later. You never know, there might be some middle aged housewife waiting to hear from me :D :p

Re: you don't understand
 

The answer: Both.

Gospel is not a genre of style as much as a genre of content. Neal Morse converted to Christianity very publicly. He's a progster. He's gonna write prog songs that convey his Christianity. It's "gospel Prog Rock," if you will. I am an evangelical Protestant (seminary student no less) and a prog fan. There are hundreds of great rock bands made of Christians doing "Christian" music out there, contrary to the stereotype of them being hacks. But there aren't very many of a progressive nature. Neal Morse, Kerry Livgren, Iona, Jeremy, etc., in my opinion, are an example of what I'd like to see more of (I'm sure non-Christians might have a variety of opinions here).

In sum, "prog" and "gospel" are not mutually exclusive terms. Rush is prog, not gospel. Third Day are gospel, not prog (Southern Rock). Neal Morse is both gospel and prog.

Re: Re: you don't understand
 

Good answer Spaz. Me, I base my opinion of music on both the music and the lyrical content. As a devout agnostic, I don't mind Christian lyrics as long as there's some depth to them. "Praise Jesus" repeated 700 times is just as bad as "boogie mama" repeated 700 times (to use a facetious example). Jeremy is instrumental and quite good, I think. Neal Morse seems to be drifitng towards weaker music, though "Snow" is one of SB's best, IMO. Judge each effort individually and don't worry about labels, is my ultimate point here...

Re: Re: Re: you don't understand
 

To me devout implies religion. You can be a non-practicing (fill in the blank with your religion), or just an agnostic.

Sounds like a Near (beer) Fest discussion to me.;)

Re: Re: Re: you don't understand
 

Well said...

drifitng
 

Well here I'm gonna politely disagree. I've got Testimony in the car right now and it sure seems powerful to me. Musically it might be "lighter" than some of the stuff he did with Spock's Beard in that there's less distorted guitar, but I think these are some of the best-put-together songs he's done.

Granted, the lyrics connect with me personally (being also in that Evangelical Protestant ilk with Yesspaz) and I might be weighing them a bit higher on that basis, but isn't that the way all music is? It reaches different people differently.

oh what fun!
 

Mistakes aplenty!

Garden of Dreams by FK is not an epic. It is many pieces stuck together.

Echoes is not an epic. It's a jam/space back and forth.

Tales I would argue is not a true "concept album". It's four pieces of music by each member. Sort of like Fragile, on steroids.

Syncopation is not particular to prog. Ooooh syncopation!!! Every song has syncopation, even "Row Row Your Freaking Boat".

Madness as a common theme? Try the grunge or metal for that.

Like the overuse of Dream Theater. Thought they weren't prog.

I always thought Rush and Devo used the same meter in many tunes (Rush was cited as an example, Devo is not).

Close to the edge is NOT a four-part song. It has an intro into a theme, and ok another part, but returns to the theme. That's two parts, if you're scoring at home.

Godspeed is said to include "the aesthetic sensibilities" of punk rock. I need several thousand beers to figure that one out!

I like the last line about Tool. They don't know what to classify it as! Love it!

Two of my favorite bands are defined as progressive - King's X and XTC. Let's get 'em on the playlist, then!

:D :D

Even the Galactic Cowboys are in there! (only cause they toured with king's x, no doubt). Too bad the Butthole Surfers didn't tour with them too, they'd be in there.

I get such a kick out of this pigeon-holing.

Re: oh what fun!
 

Not necessarily.

I know of TWO John Philip Sousa songs that have no syncopation whatsoever. None.

one for Mr. Lee
 

remind me not to use words like NEVER and ALWAYS and NONE and ALL and EVERY.

:D

Re: one for Mr. Lee
 

Indeed...especially when correcting someone else's mistakes. It's along the lines of spelling or grammar flames. You will invariably have at least one spelling or grammar error in your post. Guaranteed.

Happens to me all the time.

Roger -Dot- Lee, who should be in bed by now.

You should go into CYA mode...........
 

Any statement you make that could be misread, misconstrued and cause someone to be upset or, more importantly, sue, could have ALLEGADLY tagged on the end of it to tone it down.

eg.

KeithieW is a drunken sot who knows nothing about nothing, ALLEGADLY.

GY!BE make music, ALLEGADLY............:D

CYA = Cover Your Arse (ALLEGADLY)

Clarifications
 

Alledgedly is spelled wrong.

Roger, I proofread my posts. I try not to use words I can't spell (which is a lot). It is guaranteed that if I make a spelling error, it is intentional.

Now I may make punctuation errors, but so does GYBE.

"Garden of Dreams by FK is not an epic. It is many pieces stuck together".

hey rick- you could say the same for "close to the edge",
"and you and I"..many early yes tunes.

porcupine tree (fr'instance) fuses dissimilar parts
using efx as bridges. it's a trademark of prog,
(sort of) an extension of the R&R " middle ten"-
(.."life is very short, and there's no ti-i-i-i-ime....").

now, everyone play nice. if i have to stop this car...
:D

p e a c e kirk

Re: Clarifications
 

You're right Rick, allegedly was spelt wrong. :D

So that's either one of those US/UK spelling differences (possible) or the spelling error was intentional (more likely as I know you always tell the truth).

haha no keith, there's but 1 "d" in "allegedly"
on either side of the pond.

zenpool's guitarist steve hall is a senior lecturer
at northumbria in newcastle.
it took a bit of adjustment at first,
since he speaks english and i don't:D

even my london friends can't understand the geordies.

Re: Clarifications
 

I realize that, and I wasn't accusing you of making any spelling errors. I don't do spelling flames, since I invariably get tripped up by them. I was simply drawing a parallel with a well known Usenet Phenomenon. That's all.

Roger "INCOMING" -Dot- Lee